FREQUENTLY ASK QUESTIONS: Windows System:LAT is tested on WinXP, Vista, Win7 (32&64bit)
Pokerrooms supported:LAT works generally with two Methodes to get the Result of a Hand
1.
Stack comparision and
2.
Recognition of Textphrases like „PlayerXZ wins“ or „PlayerXZ wins main pot“.
The more secure Methode is Recognition of Textphrases (applied at UB and FT). Here Rebuys, AddOns or simply Reloading by buying additional Chips do not produce wrong Results.
The Disadvantage of Stack comparison (applied at all others than UB and FT) is that any wrong Stack written in Log is interpretated wrong too.
This happens seldom but it can happen when switching to manual Play and again back to Autoplay; here sometimes the stack is read wrong (e.g. Stack = 1.00). Perhaps you already noticed this. (By the way - from Version 4.7 we use Stack = 1.00 as recognition of manual play !)
In this Case the Outcome of the Hand is …. as it is when Comparing Stack of current Hand with Stack of last Hand – and this can be the wrong Result. If you notice this, you can correct the Logfile later.
Our Logs do still miss a Rebuy Info - I already asked Egor to integrate this but this needs some work and up to now we dont have this Rebuy/Addon Info in the logs. This can cause wrong results within
LAT, since
LAT compares Stacks to get the results.
In all other cases Stack comparision works very good. Logs are virtually appended, but
LAT recognizes this and declares the outcome of the last Hand of a log for VOID (since there is nothing to compare with)
So back to Pokerrooms,
LAT current List can be found on Message No. 1 of this Thread.
Any limitations on Cash games / SNGs / MTTs ?All 3 types of holdem poker are generally supported.
Any limitations to Limits?No Limits, NoLimit / Limit / Pot Limit, all possible.
Any limitations with amount of numbers of CodeLines?Has been tested on profiles with about 125000 lines of code and LAT works really
good here. I think
LAT is predestinated for large profiles.
Any limitations with number of imported Hands?No, at the moment 200.000 hands x 30 Actions each possible.
More on request.
Can LAT recognize a profilechange within one log?Its on your response not to mix up different profiles. For example an Cashprofile mixed with MTT Profile. This makes no sense.
But – when you hold to my suggestion to name your profiles with version at the end, then you will see how your profile gets better and better while you are tweaking your profile. For example „mtt-v1.10.txt“, „mtt-v1.11.txt“ and so on. This version number is displayed on
LAT.
What about ppl Profiles?Only Log Files from .txt Files can be analysed - .
ppl is for some (good) reason NOT possible to analyse!Important, when Profile has been changed / tweaked!When modifying your Profile, please have in mind,
LAT uses the Line Number to compare data. As a result when adding lines, all following Lines move down and your statistic is nothing worth. To avoid this, perhaps keep some free Lines if possible or add code on free lines.
In most Cases you will only change a call to a fold or sth like that. In this case we have no issue.
What is "direct won" or "assisted lost"?WIN direct = with this Line the Hand was won by the bot. One or more Actions, but we won finally with this Line. So the Line gets a a direct Win.
WIN assist = this executed line was participated in a winning Hand, but it was not the last Action of the bot to decide the hand, just assisted the win.
LOST direct = this Action was the last in this Hand and it lead to a lost, or check and lost. A simple Fold Force line is a lost when this was the last Action in this Hand. Since a profile has lots of Fold Force Lines, a Fold Action Filter is integrated. Just toggle on/off
LOST assist = this Line was participated in the Loss of this Hand. Other Actions followed here and the Result of the Hand was a Loss.
What about missed Clicks?Some Hands are VOID because of missed Clicks - as a result the complete Hand that means all refering Actions not used for the data basis. This can happen, when switching to manual play and come back to automode again.
What is "L.C." in Detail View?L.C. stand for Log Change. Everytime a new log is read - this is a kind of virtually append, the stack will change dramatically. This can happen in logs of pokerrooms where the methode Stack comparision is used to get win/lost info. The last Hand before LogChange cannot be compared to the next Stack - so the result gets a L.C. and its not getting into statistical database.
What about a Demo of LAT?Sorry, at the moment no Demo available.
what happens if I have logs from different profile versions? How does it differentiate them? Or do I have to make sure that the logs are all from the same profile? This goes into direction - -->Tweaking profiles, adding and deleting lines in Profile.txt
yes, important that logs use same profile (in meaning of the basic content) and the profile read in need also to fit to those profiles mentioned in logs. Otherwise the statistic is getting wrong.
But for example holdem1.log can have doodle91.txt while holdem2.log has uses a tweaked doodle91modV1.txt
Thats possible and it is reflected in Detailed View, which version has been used.
When there are changes within a line - NO ISSUE - e.g. changing Range, Betsize .... and of course call --> fold or Raise 50% to Raise 55% this is possible, no problem.
Tweaking profile, adding and deleting lines in Profile.txt(But) be carefull to put additional lines into your profile because Lines after this Insert become new Line Numbers assigned.
This is only possible if there where blank lines available. Here you can do this.
Similiar on deleting lines. Instead of simple delete just blank this line and let a gap with "//" (Comments) between two filled lines.
A good idea is before starting to tweak - to insert some extra Emty Lines into your Profile on Locations where potential Tweaks are planned. When you do this, old log data cannot be used for LAT because then LinesNumbers are different and the Stats will be wrong.
Does LAT modify the Profile?No, its up to you to do this if you want to tweak
Does LAT modify the Logs?No
XL Profile within Logs - any Problems?XL Profiles (100.000 Lines +) within Logs now possible and fast handled (Vers. 3.8.6+)
When running your program at Bodog, do I need a Bodog hand grabber to get the hands or does it just use the bot logs?LAT uses only the logs of our bot. No handgrabber needed.
LAT works offline, no connection to any software. You dont need to have
LAT open when botting.
What Mode to run with bot so that LAT gets all neccessary data: Verbose or Succint?I just learned that we should run in Verbose mode.
So we get these important info:
casino = UB, game = No Limit Tourny, BB = 10.00, Pot = 4 BBs, Stack = 1485.00, TI = 0 BBsSince Bot toggle this mode you should see
Succint in the Menu of bot.
This is also the default mode, everytime you download an update from shanky.
Again, after download you dont need to switch! We see Succint and run in Verbose. Thats correct.
What are Shared Chips - Shared BBs?From
LAT V4.2 a quantitative Output is provided and is measured in Shared Chips and Shared BigBlinds.
Reason: a Hand can have more Actions = Orbits = ProfileLinesExecuted
Example: 1st Action: Call
2nd Action: Raise 3
3rd Action: Raise 150%
In Case we have 20 BBs in Pot, the larges part gets 3rd Action, then 2nd Action and last but not least 1st Action.
This Win/Loss of a Profile Line is calculated in relation to partial Investment.
These partial Wins/Investments will be accumulated to a Profileline.
So with much logged Hands you get a value what the Code of the Line is worth.
LATs result is not exact the same as in Log! Whats wrong? Logs show
rounded BBs, so a entry for Investment of Blinds with TI = 2 BB means it can be 1.51 ... 2.49 in reality.
So exact Result
will be different to shown Result in LAT.
Same on Pot = x
Indicator in Overview shows weak Line with Factor 0.50 while Accumulated Chips show positiv Result - Why?This is simply because of different Blinds. You can win 10x at BB=100 and loose 1x at BB=2000. In case both Blinds where execute with this line, you get a negative Result - vice versa.
Does LAT support new User Defined Variables (UDV)?yes,
LAT is tested with TETREs MSS Profile which absolutely exploits UDVs
In case of TETREs profile which had lots of UDVs CodeLines and only some Action Lines - in this case LAT was not helpfull since those UDV Lines have no explicite force command. As a consequence LAT cannot relate back from Action Line to refering UDV Line.
But again generally UDVs possible.
How much Logs do I need for analysing a profile?This depends on the number of Lines of the profile.
Lets say, 5000 Lines Profile, perhaps 5% of those Lines are the most executed, most important lines. So we have about 100 Lines which need a deep Look at.
Would say for a first estimation each Line shoud be executed 10 Times. Look on Indicator, shared (accumulated) BBs and Chips.
If there is no clear direction then you will need more Hands to collect before modifying the line.
When you have a large Profile (30.000+ Lines), then you will need much more Hand (Line executions) before you will see a direction - Line is winning/neutral/loosing.
The more lines you have, the more hands needed to analyse. Thats statistic.
When playing with cash profiles, you can run 6 bots at once, so collecting Hands goes faster.
When playing a MTT Profile, you can run 2 bots parallel, so you need 3 times longer to collect those hands (approx.)
Is LAT able to recognize Manual Play and exclude those results from Statistics?yes, LAT has a basic Manual Play Recognition - since Stack = 1.00 sometimes happen in Bot when switching to Manual Mode,
I decided LAT to evalute every Hand with Stack = 1.00 as "void"
As a result, this Hand is excluded from Stats.
Only negative effect: for CashGamer with Stack = 1.00 - think thats ok
But now we have a kind of Manual Mode recognition! (LAT V4.6+)
Why does LAT show "+" (won) but quantitative output is negative on accumulated BBs and Chips ? Its possible e.g. in case more than one people win a game and sharing the pot (depending how much each player have been invested)
Qualitative Output shows "+" usually because of text phrase "player HERO wins ...". This is correct then HERO has less invested than opponent.
Thats one reason to present both - quantitative and qualitative Results within LAT.
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