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Gonna reload my Draftkings account and take another shot this year with a different strategy.

I have the Rotogrinders Incentive Content access since I use their affiliate link to sign up. The best guy on there IMO is JMtowin. He's not an algorithm guy, but a true analyst and he breaks down every game telling you which, if any, players make good roster choices and why. Some weeks his breakdown articles go 10,000 words. He uses his own resulting list to make one roster, and one roster only for that week, and get this -- he uses it in everything: tournaments, 50/50's, and head to heads.  Last year he came in 12th in the Millionaire Maker one Sunday, and he always makes money year after year -- but of course he plays high stakes. I'm a convert to his philosophy that an ideal roster should be playable in any format.

So instead of making a half dozen rosters to play in $3 events I'm going to take my time to make one and enter the Millionaire Maker every Sunday. My personal twist on it will try to create a contrarian roster out of JM's picks. That's all I'm going to do except maybe play a few $3 college rosters here and there.

  I went on Roto Grinders and found the affiliate deals , I was able to get the  Research Tools content for a year  by signing to a Daily Fantasy site.  I already had Draft kings but, was able to sign to Fan Duel  for one year  access .    I also received 5 free plays for joining and depositing on FanDuel . .gif beer.gif

I checked out the daily fantasy competition ,  lobbies etc.  I still like the  Draft King Lobby better than Fan duel.  Another smaller site is Draft Day and I like that interface  as well,   I find Fan Duel a little cluttered with ads etc.  I also found when selecting a team on Fan Duel the amount left goes out of site during selection because of the ad clutter making the available screen smaller.   There are free bets on each to compare and get a feel for the one that suits individual needs best. beer.gif

As for putting together teams , I will be hoping for some input from both yourself and roto grinder Research tools.  Last season I won some MTT money one week, but feel it was more to due with luck than skill.

I also do some straight up Sports betting , but drafting a winning team requires a different strategy .  :-\ beer.gif

College sports have been removed from all DFS sites.....  banghead.gif

     I am  trying some MLB  drafting on Fan duel with my free plays and some small MTTs  just to get back in the swing of it.     I had some luck betting MLB  this summer on my Pinnacle Sports Bet Site . I remember when you started this thread last season you thought there would be a ton of fish , which is probably true but with all the help out there it evens the playing field considerably.  beer.gif

I'm not really understanding what chicken dinner gets out of this.

They don't have any real money wagers, but they pay out winners, and the site does not have ads (from what I've seen)?

How are they making any money off of this?

I think my best chance for a big win is the first weekend. lol

I finished in the money for my single entry Tournaments at Fan Duel.  I now Have a little more ammo for NFL.  Fan Duel is still my least favorite interface, but easily forgiven if  I win   $  . beer.gif

I have to join FanDuel too soon in order to keep my access to JMtoWin going....

I see they also affiliate a site  called Fantasy Draft.   That one could be used next time , if we still desire the premium content. thumbsup.gif

I think JMtowin is only on the Draftkings and Fanduel premium content

I'm doing more contrarian stuff myself this year. Some of my picks (after reading JMtowin) are:

QB: Bortles, Stafford, Cousins, Osweiler
RB: L Miller, R Matthews, D Washington, C West, E Elliot
TE: Cook, M Bennet, J Reed
WR: Cobb, K Aiken, J Jones, A Hurns, A Hopkins, AJ Green, G Tate, D Moncrief

I read JMtowin, that was a hell of a wall of text. :o    It will be nice to evaluate and watch his progress.  Maybe even get between the lines as you do and find a nice tourney play. I think you might have something with the  contrarian approach.   It's always high variance but nice if you hit.  beer.gif   I have the Day off  tomorrow , I am hoping to take some time to sift through the DFS info .  beer.gif beer.gif

In my rough draft , I came up with Prescott for my QB , Miller from your list with Peterson for RB,  Aiken and Cobb from your list with Boldin for WR,  Coby fleener TE , Looking at  Blount for FLX and KC for DST .      The  Dream Begins  lolk.gif beer.gif

Are playing on Fanduel or DK this year? I might switch to FD after a couple weeks.

Since I had to join FD to get JMtowin I have a balance on both.  Still trying to get a feel for Fan Duel.   I will play on both for now and pick one if it seems more suited . beer.gif

I just put in $25 on FD and made a few picks. Missed tonight's game (didn't even know there was a game).

   The Million was won  for  a  $3.00 entry with       QB - Drew Brees
                                                                           RB- Spencer Ware
                                                                           RB - Theo R
                                                                           WR - Brandon Cooks
                                                                           WR - AJ Green
                                                                           WR - Willie Snead   (Sleeper ? )
                                                                           TE - Julius Thomas
                                                                           Flex - Donte Moncrief
                                                                           DST - Green Bay                beer.gif

I had Spencer Ware , Drew Brees ,AJ Green and Green Bay on one ticket  and won $12.00  ::) beer.gif                                                                                                                                                                                         

Yeah he stacked a QB with 2 receivers which is not usually a good tactic but when Brees has a big game I guess it's okay since they dont get many yards on the ground

I had AJ Green in most of my lineups

After some Study on various sites , this is what  I got out of it so far,  for week #2.    QB - Newton , Stafford or Manning      RB - De Williams , D Woodhead, Theo  R , C J Anderson.    WR - O Beckham , K Benjamin , Jordy Nelson , Chris Hogan .  TE - Jesse James , A Gates , E Ebron .    These names came up more than once. party0052.gif                     Any Sleeper  or Contrarian Ideas  ???    beer.gif  

P.S -  For anyone interested in Resource sites , these are what I have to date -  Roto Grinders - Fantasy Pros - Roster Nerds - DFS Gold - ESPN - FootBall Outsiders - CBS Sports " Injuries" .      They all have unique and helpful insights and most are free or have adequate free content . beer.gif

                                                                            

I was already running with a lot of those picks before you posted that. I am basically ride or die with the Giants this week. Hopefully high scoring game for them.

There is likely to be a  lot of   Giants , Lions  and Panthers stacked in week 2 . Even with high scorers from those games , we still  need to find  those  3 or 4 sleepers or Egor's contrarian picks to beat the competition .  character0049.gif beer.gif

For the first time, I won $ on every game I played (5 games). Not a whole lot. Bet $19 total and won a free ticket for a game this weekend, and won about $69 on the rest. By the end of Sunday, was was up $0. I won everything after the two games on Monday night. 49ers defense helped with the shutout. Steelers picks really helped as well.

Yeah, Daily fantasy is more of a lottery than people will care to admit to.

You can have all the stat sheets you want, guys will go down on injuries or have bad games.

It's funny that USA legislation considers Daily fantasy legal for being a game of skill, but poker is looked at as gambling.

In my opinion, Poker is more a game of skill than Daily Fantasy, but both involve a mix of skill and luck.

There are people that will argue that the same guys win regular , so it has to be game of skill.   It seems that the regular winners can spend anywhere from Twenty thousand to a hundred or more thousand on teams and entries.   It is something like owning a goodly % of the lottery tickets while we have one or two.  That could swing the odds in their favor over all the single bettors.  However , like the lottery someone has to win and sometimes it is a casual player that takes home the bacon.   party0007.gif  It is probably the same as Poker and Poker Botting , the more time, money and info you learn to utilize, the more your odds increase.   beer.gif

QB: Cam, Palmer, McCown
RB: D Johnson, D'Angelo, Woodhead, Zeke
TE: Jesse James, D Walker
WR: O Beckman, T Fuller, M Floyd, T Benjamin, AJ Green

Solid bunch overall , I don't see McCown though ???  , very contrarian to say the least.  . beer.gif

He's back, he's cheap, and has the highest projects Points per $ projection on rotogrinders

No Eli for QB?

I do mostly tourneys where his projected ownership will be too high this week.

Rivers is a good pick

Well.... Eli was a bust anyway  :'(

Some small cashes , I went 8 for 8 on tourneys .  I am waiting on Ashlon Jeffery in the Mon. Game to get a little more  ???   Over all I doubled up at DKs and came out just slightly ahead at FD .   beer.gif

Wish i could say i was that lucky. Eli and A.J. Green killed me this week. Cashed in a few small ones, but overall lost $. I'm not good at this.

LOL no one is "good" at this from a results standpoint. Just keep building smart rosters that gamble in the places you want to gamble.

AJ Green was a killer. I feel you there.

But for me David Johnson was death on most of my rosters. I was sooooooooo sure paying up for him was the right move. I didn't even know the cardinals split snaps with another back! Going back to buying cheap running backs...

    It is high variance if you play Tourneys , perhaps we should mix in some cash games to survive.  I didn't use Eli , but according to past performance he should have been gold .  Go figure  banghead.gif . I did notice reading JMtoWin that he generally hates paying up for RBs as well .    It was a strange weekend all in all , Iam beginning to believe that's what we should be prepared for most weekends .   Go  Contrarian ... fighting030.gif beer.gif

Looking at -  QBs -  Luck - Carr - Flacco   WRs - J Jones - A Brown - Willie Snead - Tyrell Williams   RBs  DeAngelo Williams - Mel Gordon - C. Sims  TEs - Dennis Pita - Clive Walford       DST -  Pit   -  Mia     :-\ beer.gif

Man I love that list looks a lot like my own.

I have a Fanduel account so I'm playing a couple rosters on the Thu-Mon slate stacking Ryan/Brees + Julio/Snead and leaving the Thursday game alone, which I think is the hot tip this week

I like S. Shepherd on the Giants for a sleeper, plus Desean Jackson, S Smith on Baltimore, and for QB I'm gonna take a shot with Prescott and Flacco

So I like the value tight ends of Jesse James or Pitta and then putting J Reed in at the flex position

But on my millionaire shot I'm gonna have to go with Rivers or Luck

I've been using Blount for the past few weeks in many lineups. I think he has great value (at least at draftking). He certainly did not disappoint tonight.

I was wondering  where we stand in the DFS player pool .  I remember last year when Mr Phil said he felt like the fish when comparing his picks to some others, we may not be the pros but, after seeing the following we are by no means the fish.  I wondered how some guys got so many points on the Thur to Sun Tourney.  I checked their line up and they have 7 or 8  Houston or New  England guys .   lolk.gif  " that would indicate a likely fish."  
Here is my thinking on it -    10% are pros and semi - pro stat sheet guys
                                       -   40%  are sharp thinkers and utilize various other means to gather info. ( Hopefully Us)
                                       -  40% are armchair quarter backs that think they know more than the gurus etc.
                                       -   10% are fish - they will eventually pay everyone else's rake.
 
I also think the pros would rather see each other win than some one from the other categories , because if a rec. player wins big , chances are that chunk will largely be removed from the pool.  Where as if the pros win it's more likely to generate back in .  

It is a high variance game , so some times it will seem daunting when our line up is way out of the cash.   There are a lot of people playing and it's  a lot like large field poker MTTs , The big money is at the top but the small cashes are often vital to staying in the game . beer.gif

PS  Mr Phil   I wish I had Blount on my roster this week............Good Pick   thumbsup.gif , he was on the million dollar winners card last week..  beer.gif

Finished my Millionaire entries. On Draftkings I ended up using Mariota - and I'm happy with it  ;D

They are playing Oakland  thumbsup.gif  Did you stack Sharpe with him. He is a decent price on DKs this week.    I have my entries in and mostly stuck with the original choices.  I have Sharpe in play on a few.  beer.gif

I didn't use Sharp much. I used M Gordon + 1 of the SD receivers a lot, and also Dorsett on the other side a lot. Sam Shepherd a bit. A Cooper a lot. A brown some. Pitta 7 J James a lot but worked in J Reed a bit too.

I like my rosters but of course Sunday we get ready for the unexpected.

The learning process continues   banghead.gif      So a small pattern I am  seeing is the winner sometimes, involves two partially  stacked contrarian teams , with timely picks from a couple others and the   DST  is almost  always needed.     Your contrarian Idea is a viable route to go.  We tend to go toward the common sense flow , using matchups etc.    I think to win big we have to go strongly contrarian (with a sound reason in our heads, as to why?)  A couple of our Rosters most weeks, should probably look a little crazy and get us nothing, But results show if you click into the top two contrarian style teams with good support choices  .   BOOM  thumbsup.gif        This is just a thought and it is early in my learning process . Time to switch from Tag to Lag  lolk.gif.   I think I will compile at least two or three entries with this similar format and judge it from there.    fighting030.gif beer.gif

P.S. -   This is starting to be an interesting challenge .  beer.gif

The chiefs scored 35 freaking defensive DFS points. Never seen anything like that, and if you didn't have them you didn't have a chance at the real money.

Yeah, the unexpected always seems to happen in football which is why I said be a contrarian at the beginning of the season. Now if I would only do what I said....

Maybe we should just look at the lines tomorrow before the gurus publish their articles and try to pick a couple games/teams that we can see in our minds being high scoring which have low totals. Of course after yesterday the cat is probably out of the bag on everyone, with the Rams/TB/Seattle putting up big numbers and Jordy having a big day.

I got close this week to cashing, but with Willie Snead out, I don't see much hope. I switched to Michael Thomas in my one league and gave Mohamed Sanu a shot in another. We'll see.

 party0052.gif   First ones that jumped out. - A. Luck , P Rivers..     WRs- T. Benjamin , P. Dorsett, T Pryor , A.J. Green , D. Jackson ....    RBs - Mel Gordon,David Johnson , Isiah Crowell , C. Hyde , G. Bernard . ... its a start , also need a  sleeper somewhere........  It "might"  have been an off style week and probably we should stick with JM , but I find it difficult at times to extract ,  which route he is actually going in his blogs. ??? beer.gif

I'm looking to target:

Dallas/SF
Det/Chi
Oak/Balt

...as possible big-score games that the masses will overlook because there will be several higher total games on the board. I watched some of the Cowboys game and think Prescott is starting to look good and he is cheap this week on Fanduel.

If you were to tell me that the falcons would score 45 points and Julio Jones would have one catch, I would have told you that you were crazy.
Shows how messed up this daily fantasy thing can be.

  After reading Jm  .  He , at least targeted a few things in the games we were considering  .  Again it is finding some timely sleepers that others overlook .  
 For a rare thur. play -  I keep coming back to Dalton - A.J. Green    Why I like them -  They have played  N Y Jets (9th in Def last year) on  the road and won.  They played Pitt. a good home team and lost a tight one . Then lost to Denver ( # 1 def. last year) .   Now they have Miami at home .   Cin.  were the #2 offence last year.                  

   For Sun.   I like your game choices , Prescott looks like the real deal , but I'am Still not sold on  them racking up the score, so I might pass on that one.   To go with your other two I thought the NO vs SD game as well...   beer.gif

A. Dalton and ( A J Green 88% ownership  lolk.gif) not to bad of a game .  They were stopped at the line a few times or it could have been better.   In this one it likely comes down to the Quarterback, and Andy fell short at the line way to often.            


Oh well on to the big Sun. Tourneys  beer.gif    P.S .  Just another observation why DFS is tough to gage , while we are thinking Fantasy points a well coached   team like Cincy is thinking take the low risk easy win by not throwing the ball away .   JM is right when he tries to figure out who will be playing catch up and  will need to throw the ball more. beer.gif

Results  Thur - Sun  two gamer          I got $6.00                 This Roster got $5,000.

                                                        Green                                 Green
                                                      Bengals                              Bengals
                                                   Robinson                              Robinson
                                                    Gore                                         Gore
                                                  Hilton                                      Hilton
                                                  Dalton                                   Bortles
                                               Bernard                                   Yeldon
                                                 Hurns                                       Stills
                                                Doyle                                     Uzitmah

Fortunately I had two $10. double ups with this roster and  another small cash , my tourneys are covered for the weekend anyway dankk2.gif beer.gif       

Hope you all have Julio Jones in your lineups. He has 51 points so far in draft kings.
Why couldn't he have done this last week? I had everyone do good in one of my lineups last week except him. If he had pulled this off last week, I would have made hundreds instead of less than 10 bucks...lol. Figures that the remaining players are doing average or below in the lineup I have him in this week :/ .

Matt Ryan = 500 yards + 4 TDs

Kiss your weekend goodbye (unless you somehow took Ryan + Julio against the Panthers defense)

Seems you always have those 2 or 3 Big  mystery guys or just small  cashes at best.     Carr was good in the Oak game and it had the  high scoring you predicted.  Not sure what we have to do I had Oak , SD, and NO ,   stacked on two tickets .  They were high scores like we predicted but it did not translate to Fantasy Points .  I actually won $8.00 on a Washington stacked ticket and got nothing on the No - SD - Oak Ticket  ??? ??? ??? banghead.gif beer.gif

On my Millionaire entry on DK I scored 194 points. Rivers, M Gordon, Crabtree, Will Fuller, J Reed got most of the points.

I was "winning" $256 on DK before the Sunday night game (including $40 on a $3 ticket that had Hoyer as QB). I shouldn't have looked. As this night game plays out my "winning" figure will keep shrinking and I'll probably be lucky to get a pittance, because I don;t have pieces of this game on my highest scoring entries.

I am now going back and forth on two different ways to create rosters:

1. "The QB doesn't matter that much" approach: Pick a cheaper QB and build a handful of different rosters with a group of players you like this week using 1 or 2 QB's max

2. Pick a core group of guys you settle on, leaving only the QB+ 1 WR position open, then create 7-8 different rosters with those same core guys but different QB+WR1 stacked in the open spots (from same team) so that if your core guys do well (like mine this week) you will capitalize on any freaky breakout aerial performance (like Ryan + Julio today)

^I'm guessing Sunday's night game did not help one bit.

No, but my winnings only shrank to $151 which I consider fortunate given that final score. I'm actually up for the season now on Draftkings (for a short moment in time at least)

      I like it.    I'am also going to have a least one roster  where I stack two teams heavy each week. beer.gif

Yeah the thought occurred to me this morning why not do all three approaches? (The first one being try to pick an unexpected high-scoring game to stack). That will be the first one to do on Tuesday mornings.

So how to order the next two. Seeing how I don't really settle on a group of core guys until Saturday, I think I'll do that one last (one group with the QB and WR1 switched out a few times). So Wednesday nights after JM's article comes out I'll start working on approach 2 (the QB doesn't matter and picking 1 or 2 I like and varying the other players around them) then by Saturday I'll probably have the core guys narrowed and can try the last method.

You just need one Sunday per season to make a large score at this so all we really need here is the method and I think we're getting better !  party0007.gif

I think I like these two game do or dies , there is one tonight and Thur  NYG vs Min and Ari vs SF    for  $3.00  and top prize $50,000.00   .   It comes down to three or four sleepers.    You can't really leave out D.Johnson - O.Beckham,S.Diggs or L. Fitzgerald  .K Rudolph   The rest is a crapshoot and also where the 50gs  is likely won. ??? beer.gif   Of Course if a couple of those guys bomb and someone leaves them out and has the right sleeper the 50 would be theirs. thumbsup.gif       Some possible sleepers I dug up are  J Mckinnon  Min       Shaun Draughn  SF    V Cruz  NYG    John Brown Ari     Jeremy Kerley SF    T. Smith  SF  Adam Thielen Min   Carlos Hyde - SF   Jaron Brown - Ari    ??? beer.gif     Also a crap shoot  for a QB .  beer.gif

I played it and left around $3,000 in salary unused. Trying to be different...

Damn this Fanduel stuff is so unpredictable. I had one receiver who had only one friggin catch the entire game. Julio Jones had a terrible game, then a MONSTER GAME! It is definitely like playing a mini lottery. I was told by a friend that Fanduel and Draftkings are losing money because not enough players win?

Laughable. They have no interest in the outcome and simply rake the pot. These are highly profitable businesses.

I have one roster with 50 points and 5 guys to choose on Thur.  Waiting to see the injury update etc.

 does anyone know 4  -  twenty point SF  Players ?  lolk.gif

 police.gif Sports and gambling sites make their money from Rake and are in effect just a broker .  In Football you choose nine random picks  sometimes they  face a tough defence, sometimes a tough offence. The next week someone is sick or the opponent is sick etc.etc.   That is why it seems like a lottery when in fact it is just the nature of gambling.  The rake is tough but , we know that going in, so we choose to play regardless.The main thing is to have fun, and don't get caught up in the negative thinking of sites or players purposefully influencing how much we win or lose . It's simply not true.   beer.gif
P.S.  I concur that it would be ludicrous to believe that Draft Kings or Fan Duel are losing money , just look at the prizes and " someone" has to win every one .  If you look at the number of entries , you have to surmise the variance is going to be a challenge , to say the least.  beer.gif

The way to win in tournaments is by rostering unpopular players IMO, mixed in with guys that are locks for a heavy workload. In other words unique rosters. When the chalk wins it's just too difficult to be unique and so the guy with the highest-scoring defense wins, and on weekends like that the top prizes get split between identical rosters and it's an exercise in futility.

Matt Ryan + Julio Jones were hugely unpopular players last weekend and made for some very unique rosters.

True , but this is one game with extreme limited choices. I'll probably go fairly chalk and get a min cash.  The winner will have to have the exact 9 scoring players in a two team format.  I have two of them but Diggs had less points than a couple of lesser knowns.  I also locked my Flex  ::) on the first game again .  I would have taken Carlos Hyde there.  With only one  RB slot open , I have to take  D. Johnson .  beer.gif

Oh on those 2-game slates you have to hit on every position right plus take at least a couple unlikely heroes (WR3, RB2)

  SD vs Oak.  this weekend.  I think the score will be high , but will it lead  to Fantasy Points ?    I think Philly will be too chalk.   character0049.gif beer.gif

Gotta see what JM says later today...

Starting point -  QBs - D.Carr - Oak    P. Rivers - SD      WRs - T. Benjamin - SD  O. Beckham - NYG  M. Crabtree - Oak
RBs - T. Gurley - LA    J. Landry - Mia   I. Crowell - Clev      TEs - D. Walker - Ten    H. Henry - SD         DST - Min - Bal .  beer.gif

I like Gurley to have a breakout game, too.

I am only using Eli Manning for QB and D Walker for TE this week in all my "type 2" rosters (same QB different RB's & WR's). Can't pay up for Reed need the $ elsewhere...

I'll do my type 3 rosters Saturday (same RB/WR's guys different QB+WR1 stack)

 Z.  Ertz - Phi    I am using him for a Flex on DKs when  I run low ,  $3500.  beer.gif    I'am going with Three QBs   The two I listed and  Eli.   I think it's going to be a good weekend . thumbsup.gif

You guys both like Eli this week. I'm usually a supporter of Eli, and he has a good matchup, but I'm not sure how Beckham's little tantrums will effect the passing game overall. Eli has other good targets, but he does have those games where he just slumps at times. 

Yeah  Beckham is risky , but the Gurus like him for a return to form  .  I may not have chose him otherwise . beer.gif

only decent affordable QB this week if you want some class on your team (other than Flacco maybe)

I have 15 Rosters in 20 Tourneys this week.   Probably went way too chalky, but the players were available for the price and I could not see cheap alternatives. Even though I spent considerable time on it , there will be  sleepers  overlooked.  I can't seem to let go of  using the total amount to spend.  It would be nice to be able to isolate a few extremely underpriced players.       My closest thing to contrarian this week is B. Powell , if that even is contrarian  ??? beer.gif   Any way at this point the choices seem solid , but we all think that pre game  lolk.gif .  Then the fun begins. character0049.gif beer.gif

yeah J Howard is on all my rosters, at that price I had to eat chalk

It's amazing how fickle our choices can result.  I had M. Bennett on some short lists and eliminated him eventually.  laugh.gif   I was watching   if J. Edleman was playing or not , huge miscalculation.  beer.gif

Same here Greenfish. I almost picked Bennett as a TE, and then said "nah...Brady will pass to Gronk for the TDs."Wrong!

I  had never even heard of Cameron Meredith  the key on many winning teams ??? ???        JM  gave us Sammie Coates 34 points  thumbsup.gif .,but without this Meredith Guy on my slates I could  not win.  It is amazing how many guys move in and get more points than the player they replaced would have. Even more amazing is  many entries have them slated.   They must have  information that I am not finding

  The process continues.
Things to improve on    1.  I need to be aware of the third and fourth deep positions on each team. ( Injury replacements)
                                   2. Most importantly - I need the most accurate injury report site.  ( without this there is no chance) .
                                   3.   Taking individual matchups more seriously than team matchup. ( A science of it's own)  

                         The battle continues.  fighting030.gif  beer.gif                
          
             P.S . I know we  are aware that too much chalk isn't the only route.  The thing is you have to have accurate info on the less expensive guys you include   As I wrote above Cam Meredith was the difference for some Rosters .   Those are the contrarian guys needed , but some people are accessing  good info , if they can  roster guys like this . Iam trying to get a handle on things such as Isaiah Crowell a RB from lowly Cleveland showing up twice at the top 9 in five weeks.   Yesterday their defence looked easier for Brady than NEs practice team likely is.   Yet without much support Crowell often scores Fantasy points.  These are things I want to get a handle on and try to understand how.   Lots to learn  beer.gif

   I found Cameron Meredith and it seems he was a legit choice if you are in the know.   He replaced Kevin White instead of Eddie Royal " for some reason".  Apparently  Ashlon Jeffery is banged up so Meredith was the logical choice to handle the ball. ???        I think one has to do mega research of there own along with using the Gurus.  They are writing early week and some things change that they may or may not be aware of.    Regardless  We  did like a part of the Chicago game as a place to get points Sun.   Just didn't dig deep enough in to get the full picture.       The process continues.   anim_03.gif beer.gif

I am still taking a stab at the Mon-Thur Game slate, I just can't resist that one . It should be easier to get a handle on with less players to confuse. lolk.gif banghead.gif beer.gif

P.S.  I did manage to min. cash some of my money back sun.  In spite of the challenges.......... thumbsup.gif

I'm just pissed I let JM talk me off Zeke when I was gonna go all-in on him....

Yeah you definitely need to trust yourself as well.     Take most Gurus with a grain of salt.  JM gave us Sammie Coates  in a vague way.  ( The only sleeper he gave a reason for)  The trouble is he is like the rest of us ,  he can have a biased opinion.   I think we have to also use our own gut feeling if there is sound reasoning behind it. The Gurus are "part"of the answer , but not all of it. beer.gif

Well I think being contrarian is important for these big tourneys, too...

Some Games I like this week with the home teams as point getters  -   NYJs vs Ari.     SF vs Buf       KC vs Oak   Atl vs Sea      Clev vs Ten.  beer.gif

I like SF/BUF as a sneaky game to stack for a surprise 43-34 final score, yeah.

Could be a good week for the Cle running back Crowell

     Thinking similar .  beer.gif              Wondering about Mariota or Wilson at lower ownership  being worth a shot as well , I think Brady , Ben and Cam  will be higher owned , maybe for good reason  ??? .. beer.gif

P.S.  I am also going to look very hard at all Team injury reports.  It seems to me just about every week two or three guys I never even heard of come out of the woodwork and are must owns ( 20 to 35 ) Fantasy points etc.   They always seem to step up and have a miracle game no matter who they are replacing. These are the unmentioned sleepers that the astute players are padding their Rosters with.   I believe without finding them ,our chances of a larger cash are slim. fighting030.gif

I tried to find some sleepers that might get some play time because of others with injuries.   First attempt for me really but this is what I found      -   WRs- K. Aiken - Bal      Terelle Pryor - Clev      Robert Woods - Buf    Chris Hogan -NE    Allen Hurns -Jac                 RBs Devontae Booker - Den  - G. Bernard   Cin      J. White NE     B. Powell - NYJ           TE - C J Fiedorowicz         - These are all " longshots only"  to maybe choose one or two to fill a card when $  is tight ..     beer.gif

I like the higher-priced running backs this week, which is rare. Especially home games like L Miller.

I have a list of 45 players to  thin out. ???

I like too many running backs which means I can't have any elite receivers. Looks like a tough week...

Yeah  L McCoy , D Murray , L Bell ,  D Johnson even   J Howard ,L Miller ,   some with good spots, but likely high owned  .   Time to throw someone like  James White , I Crowell    or T.Gurley into the mix.     Everyone's onto Cameron Meredith this week but for 4100 on DKs you cannot leave him out completely. Seems like a lot of the studs have easy places at once.  It becomes a crap shoot once again.  Even the QBs like Newton and Ben have great spots. Although Ben may have less targets due to injuries.     I looked for some bargains so I could roster some of these guys.... beer.gif     Going contrarian on a couple as well , I took your hunch and stacked  a few players from the  SF vs Buf game.  beer.gif

I scored 203 points on a $9 tourney roster and won $80. Some other small prizes too and I'm actually up on the season again at DK.

But man-- it sure is easy to make winning rosters after all the games are played....

I cashed in a half dozen $2.-$5 tourneys and ended up a small amount.  It looked very promising at times .  This week Kenny Britt I think was the sleeper needed, and Delanie Walker killed a lot of my Rosters.  I also used K. Aiken on most of mine as a sleeper and he only had 10 points.  It's such a thin line between low to medium cashes.   The top prizes , you need every thing to line up on the same ticket.  I had most top scorers somewhere , just not  rostered together in that one neat little package. party0052.gif beer.gif

Same here, D Walker really killed me and heck even D Murray put up a dud what's with those Titans, man ?

I had Hurns as a sleeper and he put up 12 so not terrible for $4700

Britt, go figure -- I had T Austin on some rosters did he even show up for the game?

My thoughts  before the Gurus -    QB - A. Dalton -   B. Bortles      RBs - G. Bernard - S. Ware - D. Martin      WRs - A.J. Green - Mike Evans - M. Wallace -   TEs - T. Eifert - D. Walker - J. Reed      DST - NE     beer.gif                       Need to locate that weekly sleeper.  ??? beer.gif

I came up with G. Bernard and M Evans, too -- so maybe those will be chalky.

I'll be locking the Patriots defense + Gronk on almost all my rosters, I fear.

Other RB considerations include Blount and the backup replacing Doug Martin....

Will have to read JM and also look for a couple of sleepers........................After reading Jm I wonder why I did hours of homework this week.  It might have been easier to be lazy and just read him.   Still looking for that magic sleeper .   Also going to add the expensive stack of M. Ryan and  Julio at least once on a ticket...

 Jaquizz  Rogers will replace Doug Martin      Pierre Garcon could be a possible play if Jordan Reed is out.  
   L McCoy out at Buf , he is replaced by M . Gileeslee  Should  be a  good Flex  fill in.. beer.gif  

I cashed my Mon -Thur ticket for $20.     I didn't even have ( D. Adams 40+ Points) "this weeks first magic sleeper". If I had him instead of Jordy Nelson my cash would have been higher.    There was no real way to predict predict that D . Adams would have more points than Jordy Nelson  .D . Adams was the one on the" questionable" list.These are the sleepers that only a luckbox taking a flier could  pick . That is why there was only 1.2 % ownership on Adams.

Going to use the cheap guys from above in some tickets Sun.  although they will be high owned ... beer.gif      What we are really looking for  is last weeks Kenny Britt or  Thursday's  D Adams ? Because I am pretty sure they have not been mentioned by anyone yet .   Of course they will be all the rage after the fact.  character0049.gif       Your contrarian notion is  right on , but Where and Who  is the next contrarian  ??? beer.gif

Sticking with most of my original picks , but I have been swayed by the gurus  over to L. Bell and K. Cousins to replace M. Gordon and B. Bortles on a couple of rosters at least. party0052.gif

Check this out....Google sheet I made for FanDuel & DraftKings.  Takes most relevant stats from the three major projection sites and shows everything all at once.  It's gotten some MAJOR love on reddit over the past month.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dfsports/comments/58kh72/fanduel_draftkings_nfl_projection_spreadsheets/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/dfsports/comments/58kh72/fanduel_draftkings_nfl_projection_spreadsheets/)

Always nice to have some one contribute other methods , and see how they approach the challenge .   thumbsup.gif

Got my millionaire maker entry done and feel good about it. Ryan is my QB this week.

I have a core group of about 16 to 18 players.  I mixed and matched them in several Tourneys.   Including QBs - Brady, Ryan , Dalton and Cousins.  I  really  don't feel confident with any specific nine guys .  I think as each week goes by we do develop a better understanding of what is needed .  The true sleepers like D. Adams on Thursday  can only be found by taking a big leap.   The great priced players that get a opportunity because of injuries are usually highly touted and hard to leave out , but they are not the ones that are going to put us over the top.  It is the 1% owned player lurking in the weeds that  is involved in the tournament winning Rosters.  The gurus give out great "cash game" leads , but will never have the entire tournament winning team in writing beforehand.  So far  in the tournaments I have checked,   there is a player involved that has not been mentioned in any confident way.     JM himself  basically trashed Devonte Adams just before he put up 40+ points thursday. lolk.gif     That's how tough it is to find the winning tourney roster.  It is a blast however trying to solve the puzzle .  thumbsup.gif   I hope this is the week..... beer.gif.

I like my main roster but fear it is too chalky. Swapping in some low projected ownership players for a couple $9 entries.

Man I did really well on DK except I had either Sanu (ATL) or Patton (49er) locked on most of my rosters which just sunk me.  banghead.gif

On the bright side I won $106 on FD including $75 from a $1 entry only 175 points but good enough for 20th place out of 42,000

Not a bad weekend , but it could have been the bomb.   It is such a fine line .I faded M. Gordon 36.1  to L. Bell 24.9  those 12 points cost me a ton.   I also was torn between J. Crowder and P. Garcon so I used both . The Crowders were good the Garcons all lost .          I used J Ajayi as my common sleeper  31.6   turned out right.  
 I dropped M. Gilisllee at the last minute when I saw Shady warming up on TV , after the guru sites said he was a no go.  ???police.gif another lucky move.   The QBs I stuck with were mostly on the  "lower end" and that hurt.    So some good moves and a few not so.   I ended up $60.00 profit on 20 + small Tourney entries  .                                                                                                                                                                                                        

awesome I was really thinking about him, too

I faded Gilisllee as it felt like a chalky trap

Week 8 Here we go.         QBs  -  Brees - Winston - Newton     RBs - D. Freeman - S. Ware - J. Rodgers        WRs - M. Evans - T.Y. Hilton - M. Thomas -      TEs    J. Graham - G. Barnidge - C. Fleener          DST   NE            For That matter I like the whole NE Team     QB - RB - TEs     .    party0052.gif beer.gif                   Sleepers  Q. Enunwa  -   D. Booker  K. Rudolph...........

RBs: Zeke, C Michael, Ware, Gore, L Murray

WRs: E Sanders, Crabtree, Baldwin, Fuller, Pryor, M Thomas

Thinking about a millionaire addition  this week.  I am up some on DKs  time to take my shot .   I like Brady - Gronk with  Hilton and Freeman and I am all in on D. Booker at 3700 for my sleeper.  Just need to fill in the blanks   fighting030.gif beer.gif

Hate to tell you but D Booker ain't no sleeper -- he is extremely chalky, check the RG projected ownership %

That's why I'm pivoting off him to either Gore or L Murray for a low owned cheap RB

For chalk RBs I like Zeke, Ware, and C Michael  -- Zeke is the least chalky of those but highest priced

Yes ,   poor choice of terminology  I know he is high owned but at 3700 he is my must use, fill in on most rosters to afford some pricey ones. I havn't located an actual sleeper .   One guy I don't understand dropping basically off everyone's radar is D. Adams. Was that really just a one week fluke?     He is cheap still 4700 I believe.   Also like Ty Montgomery at a good price and I don't quite get why Randall Cobb is so  highly touted above them this week ... beer.gif      I have Zeke , CM  and Forte sprinkled in some as well.   I can't get completely away from D. Freeman either....
 Although I think Gronk will score big , I am only putting him on my big one.    In order to get a more rounded Roster on the other  tourneys  I am using  J. Graham  C J Fedorowicz and G Barnidge  for alternative TEs..

Yeah Gronk, Grakaham, Barnridge for TE 100% agree  beer.gif

Millionaire  entered - Switched to    Cam  for QB..                They have .25 cent arcade for $2,000. top prize.    I threw a couple dozen mixed and matched and crazy in those for less than $5  bucks.   Can have a little fun, putting in some wild ones for very little cost.  beer.gif beer.gif

I use the quarter arcade to start making entries early in the week, I find it really helps you get the feel for what kind of roster construction you can do for the week as far as mixing in which high-priced guys with which value players. I also like doing "game stacks" in the quarter arcade. Evcen when you do well you only win back about $1.50 but like I said the roster construction experience early in the week pays dividends.

Then I move up to $1 contests then finally $3 contests later in the week. Around this time I usually do my MM entry.

Finally on Saturday night after reading the late RG articles I do a couple $9 entries using low % owned players.

Strange Week -  I used Cam 12.82 points in a game they dominated  ???        Then I had Ty Montgomery as a key and he was scratched at the last second.   "TY Hilton had 3 fantasy points ".         The good part was Booker 18.4 and Forte 27.8 .   I am actually surprised  I cashed at all .  Only lost like 10 bucks from $60  bet.     With a better QB choice and Ty Montgomery  at least playing it could have been  ok....  Man it is hard to get all the Stars to align.  banghead.gif beer.gif 

You did better than me, that sucked. Ware went out with concussion, Graham did nothing, Barnridge nothing

...and I hate the fact that big winning rosters had all players I was considering but didn't put together (Carr+Cooper, Gronk, Forte, Booker, Pryor, etc)

The Guy that won the Million this week is a Roto Grinder Consultant.   He entered 150 - $20 entries for a $3,000.00 investment to make a cool Mil.      If I was going to make 150 entries in would have to be at the .25 level  lolk.gif   beer.gif

I like Brees and Ryan this week  to go with RBs Zeke and Forte  WRs - B Cooks , M. Thomas and O. Beckham    TEs  Kelce , Olsen and Fleener  ???         

The Edge is good this week. Before I read it I was on Gordon and Ajayi. JM also explained contest entry configuration, something I have not come across before. Basically, put twice as much $ in 50/50's as tourneys. My main lineup each week is getting a high enough score this season to do that -- I've come a long way, baby.

I love the Terrence West pick for a low-priced RB at 2% projected ownership. Paired with chalky Zeke, and maybe even D Booker in the Flex.

Brees will be low-owned this week at SF which I think is nuts (I guess people are expecting Ingram to get all the work there, now that he's back and looking chalky). I also like Dak & Marriota as QBs

Rudolph is the chalk tight end -- probably for good reason but D Walker makes a good 9% projected ownership pivot this week (as does Barnridge)

Moncrief is the chalky low-priced WR -- M Thomas is still only 16% projected ownership (again probably because of Ingram). Dez Bryant is looking good for a low ownership % play even after his explosion last game, maybe because Zeke is so chalky. I also like Quincy E, B Marshall, the Broncos receivers, and whichever Packer receivers we can figure out are actually gonna be in...

C.West is another one to consider for flex if S. Ware is out , which looks likely. beer.gif

Over at GB  it is looking positive for Ty Mont. to play .  Jordy Nelson has a hand injury but not serious .  I watched the game last week and Nelson looked alright.  It could be close to  record game for A. Rodgers as most of his targets are in place.   I am going with  Brees and Rodgers at QB.   There are a lot of potential chalk guys this week.  I used your T. West suggestion in some rosters .  I also decided to join the Cash Game band wagon and went 50%  on those. Heres to a good weekend .  party0007.gif beer.gif

The more of these Packers guys that actually are cleared to play the less I like any of them -- and Devante is way too chalky now for me.

Yeah  I mostly just  like  Rodgers alone , and I used Ty Montgomery  with him some  but ,  overall,  too many targets to pick from on that team . There are lots of other choices this week .  Some  sleepers I'am looking at  are C. Coleman, Tyrell Williams , D. Sproles , K. Britt  K. Benjamin and  Dontrelle Inman .  character0049.gif

Winning Team $50,000.00  for $3.00        A. Rodgers , M. Gordon , M Ingram , A. Brown , J. Nelson , G. Tate  ,A. Gates , L. Murray , Rams .  ???     All star players no sleeper needed  ???    I got $40. back from $70. investment , losing $30. while having these guys on rosters but not all together.           I think,  to  consistently win bigger  you need roster in the hundreds of entries. It is just too  fine of a window , if you have certain scorers mixed wrong on any particular  Roster you can be out of the money while the right mix gives another guy  50 Gs..  beer.gif     It's all about the mix. character0049.gif

Heard that, brother. I picked good players who produced, dang it, and still lost money this week....

Week 10   QBs - M.Ryan - M. Mariota      RBs    Zeke - DJ -  C. Ivory - K. Bibbs    WRs -S. Diggs - T. Hill - Julio - J.J. Nelson    TEs - D. Walker - A. Hooper      -   DSt -   Ari  - SD .   ??? beer.gif

I always figure out RBs first for tournaments to drop below the chalk I'm looking at Ajayi and J Howard

Low priced WRs I like Humpphries, Innman, Cord Patterson in order to mix in some high priced flex players like A Brown, D Johnson (mega chalk)

TE I'm all-in on Z Miller

Cutler is a great low-priced QB this week if you need one, Newt is the mid-range guy, but if I'm paying up gotta take Brady

Yes   Iam  going to enter at least one  Cutler - Jeffery - Miller  Stack     .     I also found it hard to go  against Brady , that is now or any time , but I am going back to the Ryan - Jones well once more.   I do like  Inman for cheap but there is a few dart throws in the range - R Mathews Tyreek Hill and  Brian Quick could all surprise.   My gut says not to leave DJ or A, Jeffery from my rosters .  dankk2.gif beer.gif

There are some nice mid-season bonus style games this week .  I am going to go a little harder at it , so far  I have 16 Rosters entered in 58 spots.   some double ups included.     It will be  anim_45.gif or  party0007.gif   lolk.gif beer.gif

yeah they don't have the millionaire $20 entry contest this week?  ???

Once again it's about the mix .  Looking back at my two posts with the players I listed - Mariota - 28.6 , Zeke - 43.9 , D.J.- 27.1 - S. Diggs- 32.4 , D. Walker 30.4 , T. Hill - 20.1 , and R. Mathews - 32.9 were all there on my two "short"  lists . Total of those 7 players =  225.4 .  Together  with any two  others that made up 16 points between them  on the same Roster would have made the 100 grand  ::).
 By the time I was done mixing and matching and "overthinking "  I lost  $50.  of my $200.  invested this week.   ???      I don't think there is anything wrong with  the way we approach but you either need a ton of luck or a " ton" of entri es .  banghead.gif beer.gif      

P.S.   An example of keying on one wrong guy that can haunt you is,  I put Ashlon  Jeffery on almost every entry , and because of his price . I had to mostly  omit my #1  TE Choice - Delanie Walker ( who I loved in Here)   and took low priced TEs  instead, that bombed  for instance " A Hooper"  1.8 pts  ???      That is one area I will look to improve on . anim_45.gif beer.gif

I crashed too  sick0004.gif

you should have used the lineup builder on rotogrinders to come up with every possible combination for the 25-cent contests

Is there a way to import them over , it would be extremely tedious to individually input 50 or 100  teams on the lobby the way I see it.   ???

yes DK lets you import them by CSV file!

A few teams have good spots this week .    Lions , Giants , Steelers , and Pats could all be potential blowouts. beer.gif

Went through and did my 25-cent game stacks to start the week practicing making line-ups. One player that really sticks out to me is RB Gore. If he's not chalky I'll probably be all-in on him.

I am going to start with that format as well , especially this week to see who I can roster .   beer.gif     So far my hunch RB  is J. Ajayi.   against the Rams...     I do note however that Gore is Mr. Consistent... beer.gif     There is a lot to sort through  with so many high scoring  teams in good spots..

Well  , you finally have to decide -   This Week I am down to -   QB -  R. Wilson , A. Rodgers       RBs - L. Bell , C.J. Prosise , J. Alayi , J. Starks      WRs- D. Baldwin , A . Brown , J. Edeleman , A. Hurns     TEs - J. Reed , J. Thomas        DST - Det , KC or Mia.. beer.gif

I like the L. Bell , C.J. Prosise combo and I like J Thomas tight end so you can afford some of those other guys (Hurns too)

I just did my first CSV  transfer   20 teams for a practice run.   We Still have to input them one by on once you have them imported over to DKs ,  but at least I covered some players with my Keys  being -   Wilson , Bell ,Prosise . beer.gif

you should be able to click the lineup then find contests to enter

good luck with that hope one cashes high

My first shot at multiple entries with Keys , didn't cash the big one but was profitable by more than double.  I am looking at the Mon - Thur slate , four games this week .  Then on the weekend I think I will up the ante to 100 entries if I find some Key players again.      For  Mon - Thur slate  I like    Big Ben - L. Bell and R. Kelley -  A Brown or Diggs with Eli Rodgers and either E. Ebron or C.J. Fiedorowicz .     beer.gif

I might to too busy this week to do the normal research and just take a few blind shots.

How are you guys so far in terms of being up/down for the season?

I'm just curious because I don't see how this can consistently lead to cashes. Maybe a few bingo winners, but don't see sustained earnings over a long time unless you're using a HUGE amount of entries across a wide field for a marginal return.

I find myself not as interested in the NFL overall. I no longer am playing fantasy leagues and my father's work league, which I was a part of for over 14 years, dissolved due to decreased interest. I'm not sure if it's due to the player egos and bs "political protests", or just lack of enthusiasm from viewers (or a combination of both), but the NFL has been losing viewers overall this season.

I'm down. The guys that make money at this play the bigger-priced events and do half cash games. I'm just playing bingo.

DFS  has been learning process.  That's why at this point I have decided to try multi- entries .  I think we have to cover ( find)  the  weekly sleepers  in order to have a chance.    I  keep my expectations for a "big" win about the same as winning WSOP .  lolk.gif beer.gif

Can't resist the $20 Turkey Shoot with 1.5 Million in prize money.

Completely fading Indy, taking Bell + Steelers D.

Lions receivers. 

 Sunday Multi - Rosters   QBs -    Wilson ,   Newton , with    Ajayi , Edeleman , Beckham  mixed and matched .   I hope the Roster Grinders  computations throw me a live one.   character0049.gif beer.gif beer.gif

Well   this weeks ( Micro )  Multi Rosters  returned  10%  of my investment .   lolk.gif      beer.gif

 Hope your results were more productive..

No I've tanked hard and am deciding whether I even want to reload again.

I love Carolina this week. Newt is cheap on Fanduel. The speedster Ted Ginn is cheap on both sites, and even Olsen isn't expensive after a couple low outputs. They are home and should rock.

I'am just winding down the  NFL season with what  I have on account.  It has been fun to pick players etc. , but winning big would be similar to lottery.  ( Unless you play Large Cash Double ups )   . Personally,  I make out much better with straight up sports betting.  This weekend was typical  of most, as I had       Ty Montgomery as  a " Key" (33.3) and Brees (33.36) and D. freeman ( 37.5) and lost money  banghead.gif  except in Cash games.  The variables that have to go along with even astute choices are becoming  ::).  I will probably leave any winnings on account and maybe even reload next fall , for the"fun factor" of it. I 'am not interested in any other Sport on DFS.   I don't recommend DFS Tourneys  to anyone with Variance issues. As it will be more than Poker MTT'S even are. That's my consensus  for now...        beer.gif                          I may study up and plunge into Cash Games next season.   beer.gif            Merry Christmas .... beer.gif

I'm having a lot better luck with NBA, just use the Rotogrinders player projection tool and pick the highest-ceiling guys. Wins 50/50's about 80% of the time.