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« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2014, 03:26:50 AM »

Early position. The default profile is hoping for a raise from behind so it can then re-raise big.
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« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2014, 09:35:33 AM »

Early position. The default profile is hoping for a raise from behind so it can then re-raise big.

Isn't the bot in late position (button) here?

players = 5, folds in game= 1, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 1, bets = 0, folds = 1



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« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2014, 09:54:56 AM »

No. Players = 5 means opponents = 5. Three still to act behind us. This is a 6-max table, so it's middle position at best.

Look, AA is hard to play in this game. I don't like raising with it initially, especially at a 6-max table. Let the maniacs do that. In this situation we already have a call, so our call makes the pot bigger. We really need a large pot before re-raising for the pot is a comfortable play. Hopefully, the button or one of the blinds will re-raise pot and then we can re-raise pot for a pot-committed raise, then follow with a push on the flop (whatever flops).

The biggest mistake AA re-raisers make is not getting pot committed preflop. Then you have a problem on the flop because you have 1 pair (most likely) and have no idea what the opponent has. You are at their mercy. When I play this game live, my main strategy is to be able to put players on AA preflop (usually via a reraise) that did not pot-commit their stack. If I flop 2 pair or a wrap I just cream them.

So I usually just call with AA unless in late position or short-handed. They don't suspect top set when an ace flops if there was no preflop raise. I will re-raise if I can get pot-committed, but otherwise it's a bad raise IMO.

FYI Scott Slotboom agrees with this strategy.
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« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2014, 10:11:29 AM »

No. Players = 5 means opponents = 5. Three still to act behind us. This is a 6-max table, so it's middle position at best.

Look, AA is hard to play in this game. I don't like raising with it initially, especially at a 6-max table. Let the maniacs do that. In this situation we already have a call, so our call makes the pot bigger. We really need a large pot before re-raising for the pot is a comfortable play. Hopefully, the button or one of the blinds will re-raise pot and then we can re-raise pot for a pot-committed raise, then follow with a push on the flop (whatever flops).

The biggest mistake AA re-raisers make is not getting pot committed preflop. Then you have a problem on the flop because you have 1 pair (most likely) and have no idea what the opponent has. You are at their mercy. When I play this game live, my main strategy is to be able to put players on AA preflop (usually via a reraise) that did not pot-commit their stack. If I flop 2 pair or a wrap I just cream them.

So I usually just call with AA unless in late position or short-handed. They don't suspect an ace when an ace flops if there was no preflop raise. I will re-raise if I can get pot-committed, but otherwise it's a bad raise IMO.

FYI Scott Slotboom agrees with this strategy.

Thanks for taking the time to explain  thumbsup
By reading this I think it's is indeed the right action for a bot!
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« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2017, 09:49:13 PM »

Egor does this ohmaha still work is been a long time since anyone post i never played ohmamha but will check out the free 200 hands and give feed back if i see any

or is this ohmaha a dead bot?
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« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2017, 09:49:56 PM »

Only currently works at Titan where the classic iPoker software is still available.
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« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2017, 10:59:08 PM »

ok thanks so no matter what profile the Omaha bot can only connect to titan and cant play on ACR?

thank you for your time
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« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2019, 09:09:43 PM »

A major component missing that became obvious to me when using the new Omaha bots was code for the cash omaha profiles for totalinvested.

We need the same type of totalinvested to stacksize comparison codelines added similar to the other holdem profiles.

If our stack gets small, we are folding too often to small bets and bleeding chips out instead of going all-in based on our stacksize left.

Also, do you want me to post individual plays here?...or wait until the official products are released?
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« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2019, 09:55:07 PM »

We are ready to release I just need to update the web pages.

Yeah sounds like something we need. Maybe I can just borrow from the Holdem profiles. Unless we should have a minimum hand strength attached to being pot-committed?
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« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2019, 10:52:39 PM »

Probably both.
Based on hand strength when we have a significant stack remaining, and then stricty pushing once we are fully pot committed (based on total invested).

I'll be honest, my knowledge of Omaha strategy is very limitted. I know how to play Omaha, and Omaha hi/lo, but I am still learning the strategy compared to holdem. I used to win hi/lo tournaments though at a very high winrate because I swear half the people didn't understand the basic rules of the game and had entered by accident. It was quite commical to see.
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« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2019, 08:43:09 AM »

The profile did not get a very good start for the short time I ran it in $0.10, $0.50, $0.25, it had BB/100: -52.46. I felt like it always ended up in spots where the profile will fold a strong two pair randomly on the river due to a large bet.
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« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2019, 05:44:06 PM »

I am willing to improve this profile but need hand examples from the logs, as always -- except for the TI stuff, I can handle that I think.
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« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2019, 06:34:28 AM »

Hello,

I would like the bot to play more hands and open raise more but I am not sure where to start. Can someone help me with this? This would be the Omaha Hi Cash profile.
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« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2019, 07:32:09 AM »

Start a PPL Board topic and describe the hands and situations you want to make sure are played. We will help you write codelines to insert at the top of your profile.
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« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2019, 04:14:32 PM »

I'm going to go over some hand reviews tonight for the PLO cash and mtt profiles, will post my notes
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« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2019, 06:17:25 PM »

good -- I know it needs to loosen up for heads up play
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« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2019, 08:16:50 PM »

Here is a selection of hand reviews to go over after my session in micro stakes Smiley

General Notes:
-Bot is calling with hands such with pocket aces, kings, queens that are also suited preflop, instead should be raising these hands preflop
-Heads up play weak on the river, profile struggles to make strong calls with high-mid two pair or trips
-I feel like the profile is calling in spots where it should be raising on the preflop,
-and should I feel like the bot should have more passive play when out of position

Losing hands:
Hand1
iPoker - €0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 38 BB (VPIP: 49.12, PFR: 8.77, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 57)
SB: 40 BB (VPIP: 62.30, PFR: 6.56, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 61)
Hero (BB): 35 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 72.73, PFR: 42.42, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 34)
MP: 122.75 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 60 BB (VPIP: 36.20, PFR: 2.26, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 221)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  7:spade: 8:heart: 9:heart: T:spade:

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players)  A:spade: 6:heart: 7:club:
SB checks, Hero bets 12 BB, UTG calls 12 BB, MP calls 12 BB, fold

Turn: (48 BB, 3 players)  4:club:
Hero checks, UTG bets 33.5 BB, MP raises to 85 BB, fold, UTG calls 51.5 BB

River: (218 BB, 2 players)  K:spade:

UTG shows  4:spade: 7:heart: J:club: 7:diamond:  (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
 (Pre 67%, Flop 86%, Turn 22%)
MP shows  J:spade: 5:spade: 3:spade: 5:heart:  (Straight, Seven High)
 (Pre 33%, Flop 14%, Turn 78%)
MP wins 205.5 BB

https://i.gyazo.com/a97b4d71afe7b7e6924f624db04666bb.mp4

My Notes:
-Pre flop call was fine, hero hand was double flushing and with straight draws
-Profile should not have raised to pot, if was attempting to bluff, pot size bet and 30%-50% bet accomplishes the same thing
-I think a check -> call/fold would have been more appropriate




Hand 2
iPoker - €0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 46.5 BB (VPIP: 52.08, PFR: 10.42, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 48)
BTN: 39.75 BB (VPIP: 61.54, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 52)
Hero (SB): 49.25 BB
BB: 109.5 BB (VPIP: 70.83, PFR: 29.17, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 25)
UTG: 59 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 1.03, 3Bet Preflop: 1.39, Hands: 195)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  5:club: K:spade: 6:heart: 5:heart:

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (3 BB, 3 players)  4:club: 3:diamond: J:diamond:
Hero checks, BB bets 3 BB, UTG calls 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (12 BB, 3 players)  7:diamond:
Hero bets 7.75 BB, BB raises to 15.5 BB, fold, fold

BB wins 25.75 BB

https://i.gyazo.com/f2a94d0c297fe333245a7163b169eca1.mp4

My Notes:
-Don't understand why the profile leads the turn like that with a pot size bet
-check/fold more appropriate




Hand 3
iPoker - €0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 59 BB (VPIP: 58.06, PFR: 3.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
Hero (BTN): 68.75 BB
SB: 50.75 BB (VPIP: 75.86, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 88)
BB: 266.25 BB (VPIP: 49.04, PFR: 15.92, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 158)
UTG: 82.25 BB (VPIP: 40.91, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 22)
MP: 108 BB (VPIP: 32.48, PFR: 1.27, 3Bet Preflop: 1.75, Hands: 157)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  3:diamond: Q:club: A:heart: Q:heart:

UTG calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, SB calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (6 BB, 6 players)  8:club: 7:spade: 7:club:
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: (6 BB, 6 players)  9:spade:
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets 1 BB, CO raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB, fold, MP calls 1 BB

River: (14 BB, 4 players)  5:heart:
BB checks, MP checks, CO bets 5 BB, fold, BB calls 5 BB, fold

CO shows  8:diamond: 2:heart: 7:diamond: A:spade:  (Full House, Sevens full of Eights)
 (Pre 47%, Flop 86%, Turn 92%)
BB shows  K:diamond: 5:diamond: 7:heart: 4:heart:  (Full House, Sevens full of Fives)
 (Pre 53%, Flop 14%, Turn 8%)
CO wins 22.5 BB

https://i.gyazo.com/1bde74ab5d98b63fb8e07377b43a5d19.mp4

My Notes:
-I think the bot should have instead made a potsize bet on preflop with that nice hand, hand may have played out differently



Hand 4
iPoker - €0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 44 BB (VPIP: 58.33, PFR: 13.89, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 36)
BTN: 88.25 BB (VPIP: 86.49, PFR: 35.14, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 38)
Hero (SB): 68 BB
BB: 103.25 BB (VPIP: 76.92, PFR: 38.46, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 13)
UTG: 238.5 BB (VPIP: 36.23, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 71)
MP: 67.75 BB (VPIP: 32.05, PFR: 1.28, 3Bet Preflop: 1.75, Hands: 156)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  Q:diamond: J:diamond: K:spade: J:spade:

UTG calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (5 BB, 5 players)  6:spade: 7:spade: J:heart:
Hero bets 3.75 BB, BB calls 3.75 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3.75 BB

Turn: (16.25 BB, 3 players)  8:club:
Hero bets 9.5 BB, BB calls 9.5 BB, CO calls 9.5 BB

River: (44.75 BB, 3 players)  9:diamond:
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

CO shows  Q:heart: 9:club: Q:spade: 9:heart:  (Three of a Kind, Nines)
 (Pre 34%, Flop 9%, Turn 11%)
Hero mucks  Q:diamond: J:diamond: K:spade: J:spade:  (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
 (Pre 36%, Flop 82%, Turn 78%)
BB shows  3:heart: 6:diamond: 2:club: 5:diamond:  (Straight, Nine High)
 (Pre 30%, Flop 9%, Turn 11%)
BB wins 42 BB

https://i.gyazo.com/531cf340e35dc087fec4006374f7b966.mp4


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« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2019, 08:31:37 PM »

I really can only work with the bot's recorded hands, from the log the bot makes.
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« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2019, 09:02:24 PM »

I really can only work with the bot's recorded hands, from the log the bot makes.

How can I do this?
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« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2019, 09:11:58 PM »

How can I do this?


search the hands in the *.txt file in the bot folder and upload them here (* in the holdem-bot the files are named holdem.txt / holdem1.txt etc.)

Do not start a new bot before you found the hand in the txt file because those files are overwritten....
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