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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2010, 05:08:17 AM »

Good fold???
doodle pot bets flop and ars chk re-raises ....doodle fold...did he call pot bet pre flop w/T J? or flop set?


Shanky Technologies Holdem Version 5.5.5: Hand: Ad As
Players = 8 have AA
Raise
hands played in session = 80
in timer: players = 8, folds in game= 5, raises = 1, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 5
casino = UB 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 3 BBs, Stack = 11.53, TI = 0 BBs
Default Profile: "Doodle 88", Action = raisepot force
Matching user defined condition at line 186, Action = raisepot force
clicking Bet Pot
Flop: 9h 8s Qs
Board: 2 suits possible straight
have overpair
also have backdoor nut flush draw
also only one straight possible
in timer: players = 8, folds in game= 7, raises = 0, checks = 1, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = UB 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 16 BBs, Stack = 10.78, TI = 7 BBs
opponents = 1, position = last
Raise if no raises
Default Profile: "Doodle 88", Action = betpot force
Matching user defined condition at line 376, Action = betpot force
clicking Bet Pot
in timer: players = 8, folds in game= 7, raises = 1, checks = 1, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = UB 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 98 BBs, Stack = 9.13, TI = 23 BBs
Special condition for NL games applies
Fold
clicking Fold
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2010, 06:33:20 AM »

im assuming he had QQ, good fold
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2010, 06:42:23 AM »

hmmmmm interesting hand. hands like these drive me crazy for days... (real life cash game) like when i got bet off a big pot by a very loose player with a wide range... i still to this day wonder if he had it.
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2010, 07:07:34 AM »

The raise was gigantic. Maybe he had KK and we laid down the best hand. It is tempting to call. In my experience however calling gigantic all-in raises with 1-pair hands is -EV in the long run. As far as a bot profile goes, I like the fold with the straight-possible board there.

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2010, 03:36:46 AM »

Hey there, Egor. Wondered if you would explain the play here Smiley

Code:
Shanky Technologies Holdem Version 5.5.5: Hand: 5c Kh
Players = 8 have K5
if opponents <=2, raise if no calls or raises and fold if re-raised
hands played in session = 200
in timer: players = 8, folds in game= 5, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 2, bets = 0, folds = 5
casino = FT 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 3 BBs, Stack = 11.42, TI = 0 BBs
In Small Blind
Default Profile: "Doodle 88", Action = call force
clicking Call
Flop: 5s 2c 7c
Board: 2 suits no possible straight
have middle pair
in timer: players = 8, folds in game= 5, raises = 0, checks = 1, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = FT 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 4 BBs, Stack = 11.37, TI = 1 BBs
opponents = 3, position = middle
If Pot Size >= 9 big blinds Play if no raise else fold
in timer: players = 8, folds in game= 5, raises = 0, checks = 3, calls = 0, bets = 1, folds = 0
casino = FT 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 5 BBs, Stack = 11.37, TI = 1 BBs
Default Profile: "Doodle 88", Action = call force
clicking Call
Turn: 5s 2c 7c 4c
Board: No Pair possible flush three of one suit, including possible straights needing two cards
have 2nd top pair
also have an overcard
in timer: players = 8, folds in game= 6, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = FT 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 7 BBs, Stack = 11.27, TI = 2 BBs
opponents = 2, position = first
Fold
clicking Check
in timer: players = 8, folds in game= 6, raises = 0, checks = 1, calls = 0, bets = 1, folds = 0
casino = FT 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 10 BBs, Stack = 11.27, TI = 2 BBs
Default Profile: "Doodle 88", Action = call force
clicking Call
River: 5s 2c 7c 4c 2h
Board: Pair possible flush three of one suit (possible straight or not)
have two pair including 2nd top pair
in timer: players = 8, folds in game= 7, raises = 0, checks = 1, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = FT 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 13 BBs, Stack = 10.92, TI = 5 BBs
opponents = 1, position = last
Play if no raise
Default Profile: "Doodle 88", Action = call force
Villain wins the pot ($1.31) with a flush, King high
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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2010, 04:49:50 AM »

So that egor doesn't have to recite his mantra, I'll reply;
First read post 1.
Your not using the text version of the profile.
Your not stating which action your questioning.
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« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2010, 05:09:25 AM »

Bet on the flop was a min-bet so the call is automatic, the bets on the Turn and River were very small so I like the calls.
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« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2010, 11:52:56 AM »

So that egor doesn't have to recite his mantra, I'll reply;
First read post 1.
Your not using the text version of the profile.
Your not stating which action your questioning.


Were do you see that I'm not using the text profile of the profile? It's the only profile I've been using in cash games.

Also, I was not questioning a specific action, but the whole play. Forgot to write it though.

Bet on the flop was a min-bet so the call is automatic, the bets on the Turn and River were very small so I like the calls.

I understand that, but aren't we pretty often beaten by a flush, a 7 or a pocket pair (66 up to 88 maybe 99) - wouldn't they easily be within villains range?

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« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2010, 06:38:41 PM »

In my opinion folding every time to small bets when you can beat a bluff is a bad idea because you will get run over. I am pretty sure those calls are randomized, however I canot verify it because you did not use the text version of the profile so there is nothing more for me to do.

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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2010, 01:02:12 AM »

can anything be changed with this line:

When AmountToCall < 26% PotSize  and ( HavePair  or HaveNutStraightDraw  or HaveNutFlushDraw )  and not ( HaveUnderPair  or Have4thTopPair  or Have4thOverPair  or HaveSet  or HaveTrips  or HaveTwoPair  or HaveTopPair  or HaveOverPair ) call force

this caused it to call this bet on the turn: (note that the line number doesnt refer to your version as im using a mod)



Shanky Technologies Holdem Version 5.5.6: Hand: 3d 3c
Players = 7 have 33
If calls = 3 or more and raises = 0, call but fold for 2 raises cold
raise if opponents left <= 2 and no calls
hands played in session = 114
in timer: players = 7, folds in game= 0, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = Carbon 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.25, Pot = 1 BBs, Stack = 24.75, TI = 0 BBs
Matching user defined condition at line 362, Action = call force
clicking Call
Flop: 5c 2c 7h
Board: 2 suits no possible straight
have any pair
in timer: players = 7, folds in game= 4, raises = 0, checks = 1, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = Carbon 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.25, Pot = 4 BBs, Stack = 24.50, TI = 1 BBs
opponents = 3, position = middle
Fold
Matching user defined condition at line 762, Action = fold force
clicking Check
Turn: 5c 2c 7h 2d
Board: Pair no possible straight two of one suit
have two pair including pocket pair between highest other board card and pair on board
also no pair on flop
in timer: players = 7, folds in game= 4, raises = 0, checks = 1, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = Carbon 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.25, Pot = 4 BBs, Stack = 24.50, TI = 1 BBs
opponents = 3, position = middle
Play if no raise
Matching user defined condition at line 1269, Action = fold force
clicking Check
in timer: players = 7, folds in game= 4, raises = 0, checks = 2, calls = 1, bets = 1, folds = 0
casino = Carbon 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.25, Pot = 6 BBs, Stack = 24.50, TI = 1 BBs
Matching user defined condition at line 1376, Action = call force
clicking Call

River: 5c 2c 7h 2d 2s
Board: 3 of a kind
have any full house
in timer: players = 7, folds in game= 4, raises = 0, checks = 1, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = Carbon 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.25, Pot = 8 BBs, Stack = 24.25, TI = 2 BBs
opponents = 3, position = middle
Call if no raise but if checked to Bet and call 1 raise
Matching user defined condition at line 1575, Action = call force
clicking Check
in timer: players = 7, folds in game= 5, raises = 0, checks = 2, calls = 0, bets = 1, folds = 1
casino = Carbon 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.25, Pot = 9 BBs, Stack = 24.25, TI = 2 BBs
clicking Call
River: 5c 2c 7h 2d 2s
Board: 3 of a kind
have any full house
player 4 (The Shanky Bot) wins 2.47 with Full House - Twos over Threes

is this +EV to call this with such a low pair?

also im confused as to why the line was true since we have a 2pair there  Huh?
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« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2010, 03:56:17 AM »

Interesting hand as you really found something that fell bewteen the cracks there LOL. I mean that is quite a rare situation to miss all the not conditions from that line. Actually I still like the call in this example for the pot odds, so I am not willing to change it based on this one. And look, you won.

You did not have two pair - if you read the variable description in the PPL Guide appendix you will see that it can never be true when holding a pocket pair.

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« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2010, 12:07:38 PM »

ye i guess its pretty minor thought i would see what u thought anyway  wink
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« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2010, 02:07:31 PM »

In my opinion folding every time to small bets when you can beat a bluff is a bad idea because you will get run over. I am pretty sure those calls are randomized, however I canot verify it because you did not use the text version of the profile so there is nothing more for me to do.

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Thanks for your answers. Might be a noob question, but what do you mean when you say I don't use the text version?

Sorry for being such a question generator btw Smiley
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« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2010, 05:35:42 PM »

Thanks for your answers. Might be a noob question, but what do you mean when you say I don't use the text version?

Sorry for being such a question generator btw Smiley

the standard "holdem.ppl" file that comes with the bot is doodle itself and is automatically loaded by the bot. However when you use a ppl file it does not indicate in the bot logs which line caused an action.

It is better if you use the txt version because then it will list the line number which causes every action taken by the bot. So if you see a play you dont like you (and Egor) can see which line caused this.

To do this, copy the entire txt that Egor has posted in the first post on this thread and paste it in to a notepad file and save it.
then load this when you start the bot, or to make it auto load the txt file name the file "autoprofileholdem.txt", make sure its in the same folder as the bot, then it will automatically loaded when you start the bot.
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« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2010, 06:29:19 PM »

 thanks oranges
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« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2010, 09:52:41 AM »

Somehow got into a 50bb pot, check calling pot sized bets out the BB with top pair ultra weak kicker?Huh?

Shanky Technologies Holdem Version 5.5.7: Hand: 5s Qs
Players = 9 have Q7-2 suited
If calls = 3 or more and raises = 0, call but fold for 2 raises cold
hands played in session = 2
in timer: players = 9, folds in game= 4, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 5, bets = 0, folds = 4
casino = Ipoker, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.20, Pot = 6 BBs, Stack = 19.80, TI = 0 BBs
In Big Blind
clicking Check
Flop: 4d 6d Qc
Board: 2 suits no possible straight
have top pair
in timer: players = 9, folds in game= 4, raises = 0, checks = 1, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = Ipoker, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.20, Pot = 6 BBs, Stack = 19.80, TI = 1 BBs
opponents = 5, position = middle
Call if no raise but if checked to Bet and call 1 raise
Default Profile: "Doodle 88", Action = call force
Matching user defined condition at line 609, Action = call force
clicking Check
in timer: players = 9, folds in game= 6, raises = 0, checks = 3, calls = 0, bets = 1, folds = 2
casino = Ipoker, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.20, Pot = 11 BBs, Stack = 19.80, TI = 1 BBs
Default Profile: "Doodle 88", Action = call force
clicking Call
Turn: 4d 6d Qc 8c
Board: No Pair possible straight (up to two of one suit), two cards needed to make straight
have top pair
in timer: players = 9, folds in game= 8, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = Ipoker, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.20, Pot = 17 BBs, Stack = 18.60, TI = 6 BBs
opponents = 1, position = first
Play if no raise
clicking Check
in timer: players = 9, folds in game= 8, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 1, folds = 0
casino = Ipoker, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.20, Pot = 35 BBs, Stack = 18.60, TI = 6 BBs
Default Profile: "Doodle 88", Action = call force
clicking Call
River: 4d 6d Qc 8c Tc
Board: No Pair possible flush three of one suit, including possible straights needing two cards
have top pair
in timer: players = 9, folds in game= 8, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = Ipoker, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.20, Pot = 53 BBs, Stack = 15.00, TI = 24 BBs
opponents = 1, position = first
Play if no raise
Default Profile: "Doodle 88", Action = call force
clicking Check
in timer: players = 9, folds in game= 8, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 1, folds = 0
casino = Ipoker, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.20, Pot = 80 BBs, Stack = 15.00, TI = 24 BBs
Default Profile: "Doodle 88", Action = call force
clicking Call
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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2010, 06:16:46 PM »

Interesting hand. The bet on the flop was small from a number of BB's perspective. I don't like the call on the Turn after having 5 opponents on the flop however. The call on the River might be randomized - and actually the call on the Turn might be as well, in which case I don't have as much of a problem with them.

It appears to me that you were using your own text profile tweaks and the Doodle .ppl profile, because the flop action quoted a codeline but the Turn and River quoted the .ppl profile and not a root-level command. I really cannot support that and wish I could see what codelines in the Doodle executed.

But maybe I can put something at the top of the Turn to fold for large bets when opponentsonflop were >= 3.

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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2010, 09:11:37 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2010, 09:31:40 PM »

Doesn't help because your codelines don't match up with mine, which is why I assume you removed them from the post. In any case I will put a line at the top of the Turn as I mentioned in the next build, to fold with under TPTK if the opponentsonflop count is 3+.

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« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2010, 08:43:56 PM »

do you think anything can be improved here?



Shanky Technologies Holdem Version 5.5.6: Hand: Qh 2d
Players = 6 Fold
hands played in session = 1
in timer: players = 6, folds in game= 4, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 2, bets = 0, folds = 4
casino = Carbon 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 3 BBs, Stack = 9.90, TI = 0 BBs
In Big Blind
Matching user defined condition at line 167, Action = fold force
clicking Check
Flop: 7s 4d 4c
Board: pair with 3 suits
deck pair < 88 and both hole cards are red
in timer: players = 6, folds in game= 4, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = Carbon 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 3 BBs, Stack = 9.90, TI = 1 BBs
opponents = 2, position = first
Fold
Matching user defined condition at line 784, Action = fold force
clicking Check
Turn: 7s 4d 4c 4h
Board: 3 of a kind
have 3rd best kicker
in timer: players = 6, folds in game= 4, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = Carbon 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 3 BBs, Stack = 9.90, TI = 1 BBs
opponents = 2, position = first
Fold
clicking Check
River: 7s 4d 4c 4h Qd
Board: 3 of a kind
have any full house
in timer: players = 6, folds in game= 4, raises = 0, checks = 0, calls = 0, bets = 0, folds = 0
casino = Carbon 9 Max, game = No Limit Cash, BB = 0.10, Pot = 3 BBs, Stack = 9.90, TI = 1 BBs
opponents = 2, position = first
Bet but fold if 2 raises
Matching user defined condition at line 1843, Action = call force
clicking Check
River: 7s 4d 4c 4h Qd
Board: 3 of a kind
have any full house
player 8 (The Shanky Bot) wins 0.34 with Full House - Fours over Queens

line 1843 in my version is:
when TripsOnBoard and (not QuadsOnBoard) and HaveFullHouse and not (NutFullHouseOrFourOfAKind = 1 or NutFullHouseOrFourOfAKind = 2 or NutFullHouseOrFourOfAKind = 3 or HaveQuads or HaveStraightFlush) and Bets = 0 and Raises = 0 Call Force
 

we get lucky on the river, in this example we have surely won unless someone miraculously holds a 4, or AA or KK or QQ.

maybe worth a bet here to get some more in the pot?
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